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The Other Side of the Dal Issue

DCA Secretary and 35-plus year breeder offers opposing view.


Dear Editor,

In the 1970s Dr. Robert Schaible, a Dal breeder and geneticist, embarked on a quest to study stone disease in the Dalmatian by breeding a Dalmatian to another breed. To cut to the chase, Dr. Schaible was not able to get and keep registration on what have become known as the “backcross dogs.” Although he continued his breeding plans on a somewhat abbreviated scale, he did not keep records of the results of urinalyses, ultrasounds of the puppies’ bladders, blood tests, birth-to-death notations, day-to-day observations, etc. Therefore, to say that the project spanned 35 years would be literally correct, yet in the absence of any recorded data, not significant.

A few years ago a group of well-intentioned people resurrected Dr. Schaible’s project and bred an AKC bitch to the last remaining male available descended from that project. To date a number of these breedings have taken place. However, there is still no trackable scientific data upon which the members of the Dalmatian Club of America can find comfort in going forward with registration. To quote from the “Final Report” of the DCA committee formed to advise on the low uric acid (LUA) issue:

“LUA Project — this is a misnomer. There is no formalized ‘project’, ‘study’ or ‘research’ that pertains to the breeding of LUA Dalmatians.

“LUA Research — again this is a misnomer. There is no formalized scientific protocol for the breeding of LUA Dalmatians. The introduction of the canine normal urinary uric acid gene... followed scientific principles, but was part of a breeding program and not a formalized scientific research protocol. There is no formalized project, research protocol, database or clinical trial to keep follow up data... There is no formal LUA project.”

DCA members fear that the influence of another breed, though relieving the Dalmatian of one problem, could bring in others.

One puzzling question is, why, when we accept that the gene to produce high uric acid in the Dal is indeed fixed (they all have it), are some dogs affected but most are not? Is there another factor which we could identify that would achieve the same result without having to introduce a complete set of genes contributed by an individual of another breed? The members would like more research done to answer this and other relevant questions before they agree to open the stud book, because once it is opened and the dogs are registered there will be no turning back if, in five or 10 years, we find that we should have proceeded with more caution.

Breedings of backcross dogs to AKC Dals have thus far produced litters of half or fewer LUA puppies, according to proponents. Literally none of the LUA puppies have been tested and found not to be carrying the gene for normal Dal high uric acid (HUA). Therefore another concern is why there is an apparent absence of dogs from these breedings which are pure for low uric acid, and what happens when they are actually bred to HUA or to each other. This would seem an important piece of the puzzle. Proponents answer that they have avoided any close breedings or in-breedings. Why? Any worthwhile research project should go there in the interest of test results! A recent communication from an LUA leader says, “ ...the fact that members would like to see more data and results of LUA to LUA breedings as well as birth-to-death records of dogs from the backcross is interesting, and some breeders may justifiably wish to have this data before incorporating backcross Dals into their breeding program. However, this data is irrelevant to the registration issue. Registration should be based upon nothing more or less that (sic) a determination of the backcross dogs being Dalmatians, or not.” Many members find this theory particularly disquieting.

The DCA Board initiated a series of avenues by which members could find a comfort level for registration. A website was created which followed the project and its findings. Several lectures and panel discussions were held at National Specialties. Articles on the subject appeared in the club magazine with pages of pictures devoted to the project. At a booth at the 2008 National Specialty the backcross dogs were on display and members could see and touch them and learn more about the project. An AKC-approved special attraction showcase was held at the same time and scheduled so that the maximum number of attendees could see them. The DCA Foundation helped subsidize travel expenses of the dogs so members could see them. Does this sound like a board that is pigheadedly refusing to allow registration “just because”?

Most people do not oppose the backcross research. Who among us would deny our dogs the very best health they can have? If it is in our power to provide it, we have a responsibility to pursue it. But... members want to be assured that nothing comes with it that we’d rather not have. Hence, registration should be approached with caution. Backcross proponents have said that all of the questions have been answered. They say that once one feature of stone disease has been removed, high uric acid cannot form. The renowned and accepted experts on stone disease, Drs. Bartges and Osborn, who each have devoted years to research and testing and have written extensively on the subject, have said that there are many facets of stone disease and that uric acid alone is not the culprit. Based on the available information, members find it unwise to rush headlong into registration just so that the current dogs can be shown in AKC events and produce AKC puppies.

A 2008 DCA vote indicated that the membership is not ready at this time — not that they will never be ready — until more research is done and more questions answered. Proponents refuse to cooperate to find a compromise and have made it clear that they will take their backcross dogs to another registry. It has truly caused an unprecedented rift in our club with long-time friendships broken and ugly accusations being cast about on the e-lists.

We now seem to be at an impasse, with the DCA board and membership wanting the research to go on and the backcross proponents unwilling to do so.

The board recently asked the membership to submit questions they felt needed answering. Currently this process is underway. Hopefully soon both “sides” of this controversy will find a way to make themselves one side... the side of the Dalmatian.

Sharon Boyd
Dalmatian breeder since 1972
DCA Board member/officer since 1992

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Ms Boyd, a board member of the Dal Club, like the majority, seems content to sit on the sidelines and take potshots at those trying to make a difference. The club has exercised NO leadership in this matter, except to make vague and unrealistic demands.

I have tried to answer Ms Boyd's points - one by one. Please click on "View More Comments" to see everything.

The fact that these arguments have all been well answered numerous times and the answers ignored rather than used as a basis of constructive engagement, illustrates that Ms Boyd's intention is not engage in a constructive process, but to simply block the LUA backcross initiative for unspecified reasons.

Ms Boyd says most club members are not opposed to the backcross, just want more information. I disagree. That's an easy way out. They are not engaging in such a way as to reach resolution, but rather their method is intended to cause indefinite delay. You cannot resolve things when you only deal in generalities, and when one side puts an unreasonable burden on the other.

Unfortunately, this seems to be characteristic of people in many breeds who are opposed to addressing critical health issues. Could it be that they are more interested in preserving the current structure of power and economics then they are in the welfare of their breed?
Ron Zimmerman, Dayton, OH
Posted: 5/26/2009 1:27:27 AM
Ms Boyd says the DCA Board has graciously allowed the LUA backcross effort certain public exposure and promotions.

A club vote from 1984 was for many years interpreted to block discussion of backcross, belying the club's stated purpose. The club would not allow mention of the backcross in meetings or the club magazine. And this stood until the vote was partially reversed in 2006. Ms Boyd thinks the club are now being magnanimous in allowing space in the club magazine. Anything favoring backcross is balanced by an article opposed. One Board member resigned after protesting that the articles in opposition were filled with pseudo-erudite misinformation and were an embarrassment to the club.

As Ms Boyd mentions there was an exhibition of backcross Dals at the 2008 National. One might note that the backcross Dals had to use a special entrance door, were not allowed to mix with or potty on the same grass as regular Dals, and before the exhibition all regular Dals were cleared from the room (for fear of contamination?)

A club spokesman explained that these restrictions were required by AKC rules. We have been unable to locate such a regulation.

Does this illustrate the position of the board?
Ron Zimmerman, Dayton, OH
Posted: 5/25/2009 9:43:35 PM
Ms Boyd says that there must be "another factor which we could identify that would achieve the same result without having to introduce a complete set of genes contributed by an individual of another breed?"

She fails to mention that this notion has a long history in the breed. Prior to the "revival" of the backcross project, there was an initiative to go in this direction, to "find a solution within the breed". It was supported by many of the same people who now support the backcross, and opposed by - guess who - generally the same people who now oppose the backcross.

There is no real reason to believe such an approach would bear fruit. It would take a lot of time and money (hundreds of thousands) and almost certainly would lead to a recommendation that Dals affected by stone formation, and those closely related to them, not be bred. This would severely restrict the gene pool, and as we have seen in the past, powerful forces in the club are deeply opposed to any research that might disfavor certain studs or lines, to an extent that such investigation is in a practical and political sense impossible.

Such research would require the participation of a serious research institution. Even if funds were somehow available, the question is of interest to a very limited audience - Dalmatian breders opposed to the backcross. It has no implications for other breeds or for humans. Researchers want to do research that makes a difference.

(The study to find the gene for HUA was funded because it was relevant to humans. And DCA declined to participate, BTW.)

Ms Boyd says "there are many facets of stone disease and that uric acid alone is not the culprit." That's like saying there are many factors influencing conception and thus sex alone is not the cause. There is no evidence at all that dogs without Hyperuricosuria are prone to urate stone disease (with the exception of dogs with impaired liver function).

This is a dead horse for many reasons, and it is only being dredged up as a subterfuge - a way of making opposition to the backcross sound resasonable.
Ron Zimmerman, Dayton, OH
Posted: 5/24/2009 11:42:40 PM
Ms Boyd says "DCA members fear that the influence of another breed, though relieving the Dalmatian of one problem, could bring in others."

Never mind that it's been 12 generations with no indication of a genetic problem from the pointer, and the pointer is already in the genetic makeup of the Dalmatian anyway. There are early references to the Dal as a "spotted pointer". By this standard, backcrosses would never be allowed because they might taint the gene pool.

What potential problem could be worse then urate stone disease?

Ms Boyd doesn't trust that the backcross proponents are telling the truth. But there's no solution to that except to have every backcross dog monitored in a laboratory setting.

Excuse me if I think this extreme caution is not really what it's about.
Ron Zimmerman, Dayton, OH
Posted: 5/24/2009 9:48:59 PM
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